Corcoran et al v. CVS Health Corporation

Northern District of California, cand-4:2015-cv-03504

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Exhibit 30 Case 4:15-cv-03504-YGR JoelDocument 436-5 Confidential Hay, Ph.D. Filed 05/05/20 Page 2 of 5 November 09, 2016 1 Page 1 ·1· · · · · · ·IN THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT ·2· · · · · ·FOR THE NORTHERN DISTRICT OF CALIFORNIA ·3· · -------------------------------X · · · CHRISTOPHER CORCORAN, et al.· ·: ·4· · on behalf of themselves and· ·: · · · all others similarly· · · · · ·:· Case No: ·5· · situated,· · · · · · · · · · ·:· 15-civ-03504-YGR · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · ·: ·6· · · · · · · Plaintiffs· · · · · ·:· Pages 1 - 302 · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · ·: ·7· · · · · · · · · ·-vs-· · · · · ·: · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · ·: ·8· · CVS PHARMACY, INC.,· · · · · ·: · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · ·: ·9· · · · · · · Defendant· · · · · ·: · · · -------------------------------X 10 11 12· · · · · · · · · · · · CONFIDENTIAL 13· · · · ·Videotape Deposition of Joel W. Hay, Ph.D. 14· · · · · · · · · · · Washington, D.C. 15· · · · · · · · ·Wednesday, November 9, 2016 16 17 18 19 20 21· · Reported by:· Kathleen M. Vaglica, RPR, RMR 22· · Job No:· 186785 U.S. LEGAL SUPPORT (877) 479-2484 Case 4:15-cv-03504-YGR JoelDocument 436-5 Confidential Hay, Ph.D. Filed 05/05/20 Page 3 of 5 November 09, 2016 2 to 5 Page 2 Page 4 ·1 ·1· · · · ·KRISTEN WARD BROZ, ESQUIRE ·2 ·2· · · · ·Hausfeld ·3 ·3· · · · ·1700 K Street, N.W. ·4 ·4· · · · ·Suite 650 ·5 ·5· · · · ·Washington, D.C.· 20006 ·6· · · · · · · · · · · · · ·Wednesday, November 9, 2016 ·6· · · · ·(202) 540-7170 ·7· · · · · · · · · · · · · ·(9:05 a.m.) ·7· · · · ·kward@hausfeld.com ·8 ·8 ·9· · Videotape Deposition of Joel W. Hay, Ph.D., held at ·9· · ALSO PRESENT 10· · the offices of: 10· · · · ·HILLARY DUDLEY, ESQUIRE (BY TELEPHONE) 11 11· · · · ·MARY BETH POWERS, VIDEOGRAPHER 12· · · · ·Hausfeld 12 13· · · · ·1700 K Street, N.W. 13 14· · · · ·Suite 650 14 15· · · · ·Washington, D.C.· 20006 15 16 16 17 17 18· · Pursuant to notice, before Kathleen M. Vaglica, RPR, 18 19· · RMR, a Notary Public in and for the District of 19 20· · Columbia. 20 21 21 22 22 Page 3 Page 5 ·1· · · · · · · · · · A P P E A R A N C E S ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · CONTENTS ·2 ·2 ·3· · EXAMINATION OF JOEL HAY, PH.D.· · · · · · · · · PAGE ·3· · COUNSEL FOR DEFENDANT ·4· · BY MR. GEYERMAN· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · ·8, 295 ·4· · · · ·GRANT A. GEYERMAN, ESQUIRE ·5· · ·BY MR. GILMORE· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · 294 ·6 ·5· · · · ·ANDREW C. WATTS, ESQUIRE ·7· · · · · · · · · · · ·E X H I B I T S ·6· · · · ·DANIEL M. DOCKERY, ESQUIRE ·8· · NUMBER· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · PAGE ·9 ·7· · · · ·Williams & Connolly, LLP 10· · ·285· · ·Declaration of Professor Joel W.· · · · · 9 ·8· · · · ·725 Twelfth Street, N.W. · · · · · · · ·Hay, Ph.D. ·9· · · · ·Washington, D.C.· 20005 11 · · · ·286· · ·Supplemental Declaration of· · · · · · · ·9 10· · · · ·(202) 434-5833 12· · · · · · ·Professor Joel W. Hay, Ph.D. 11· · · · ·ggeyerman@wc.com 13· · ·287· · ·Retail Pricing Review, Draft:· · · · · · 98 · · · · · · · ·October 27, 2010 12· · · · ·awatts@wc.com 14 13· · · · ·ddockery@wc.com · · · ·288· · ·Compilation Spreadsheet Document· · · · 132 14 15 · · · ·289· · ·Excel Spreadsheets· · · · · · · · · · · 138 15· · COUNSEL FOR DEFENDANT 16 16· · · · ·ROBERT B. GILMORE, ESQUIRE · · · ·290· · ·CVS Contracts Included in the· · · · · ·161 17· · · · · · ·Class 17· · · · ·Stein Mitchell Cipollone Beato & Missner, LLP 18· · ·291· · ·Condor Codes on Exhibit 12 to· · · · · ·163 18· · · · ·1100 Connecticut Avenue, N.W. · · · · · · · ·Plaintiffs' Motion For Class 19· · · · ·Washington, D.C.· 20036 19· · · · · · ·Certification 20· · ·292· · ·Count of Affected Transactions in· · · ·181 20· · · · ·(202) 737-7777 · · · · · · · ·Dr. Hay Declaration, Table 6, 21· · · · ·rgilmore@steinmitchell.com 21· · · · · · ·Damages for All 11 State Classes 22· · ·293· · ·CVS Corcoran Matter, AG Type· · · · · · 187 22 · · · · · · · ·Description Values - Transaction U.S. LEGAL SUPPORT (877) 479-2484 YVer1f Case 4:15-cv-03504-YGR JoelDocument 436-5 Confidential Hay, Ph.D. Filed 05/05/20 Page 4 of 5 November 09, 2016 162 to 165 Page 162 Page 164 ·1· · Inc., PBM Number 156.· Do you see those? ·1· · · · ·Q.· ·What was your understanding, sir, as to ·2· · · · ·A.· ·Where are you? ·2· · why the Condor Code needed to be used to cull down ·3· · · · ·Q.· ·I'm on the first page of Defense ·3· · transactions from the entire data set that had been ·4· · Exhibit 290. ·4· · produced to you or provided to you from Plaintiffs' ·5· · · · ·A.· ·Okay. ·5· · counsel? ·6· · · · ·Q.· ·Starting at the top.· If you look at the ·6· · · · ·A.· ·Well, it's my understanding that ·7· · second column from the right, Applicable Condor ·7· · Plaintiffs' counsel wanted to look at damages ·8· · Code -- ·8· · associated with specific contracts, contracts that ·9· · · · ·A.· ·Yes. ·9· · had specific characteristics, and by narrowing it 10· · · · ·Q.· ·-- and not every cell in that column has a 10· · down through these Condor Codes that could be done 11· · number, but the first two examples that do have 11· · more reliably. 12· · numbers, the numbers are 26390 and 25835; right? 12· · · · ·Q.· ·Did you, personally, or your assistant 13· · · · ·A.· ·Yes. 13· · review any contracts or agreements that CVS has as a 14· · · · ·Q.· ·Okay.· And if I understand your process 14· · part of your calculation of damages in this case? 15· · correctly, the first step you took was to isolate in 15· · · · ·A.· ·No, for this case I did not review 16· · the data set CVS produced all the transactions that 16· · specific contracts.· Counsel did that. 17· · had a Condor Code that appeared on Defense 17· · · · ·Q.· ·You didn't -- strike that.· You weren't 18· · Exhibit 290; is that accurate? 18· · asked to review the documentation that is cited to 19· · · · ·A.· ·Please repeat that. 19· · on Defense Exhibit 290 to validate the information 20· · · · ·Q.· ·The first step you took in calculating 20· · that's contained in Exhibit 290; would that be fair? 21· · damages was to isolate in the data set all the 21· · · · ·A.· ·Where is it cited in Exhibit 290? 22· · transactions that had a Condor Code that appears on 22· · · · ·Q.· ·Well, Exhibit 290 cites to various Page 163 Page 165 ·1· · Defense Exhibit 290; is that accurate? ·1· · documents by Bates number, and it classifies those ·2· · · · ·A.· ·I think that was the primary mechanism, ·2· · documents as master contracts or amendments to ·3· · yeah. ·3· · contracts.· And my question to you is you were not ·4· · · · ·Q.· ·Sir, I'm handing you Defendant's ·4· · asked to review the underlying documents that are ·5· · Exhibit 291. ·5· · cited to in Defense Exhibit 290; correct? ·6· · · · · · · (Defendant's Exhibit No. 291, Condor Codes ·6· · · · ·A.· ·No, not to the Bates numbered contracts. ·7· · on Exhibit 12 to Plaintiffs' Motion For Class ·7· · · · ·Q.· ·You mentioned that your understanding was ·8· · Certification, was marked for identification.) ·8· · Plaintiffs' counsel was only interested in ·9· · BY MR. GEYERMAN: ·9· · transactions that related to certain contracts CVS 10· · · · ·Q.· ·And I'll represent to you that this is a 10· · has.· What's your understanding as to why only a 11· · de-duplicated list of the Condor Code values that 11· · subset of some of CVS's contracts are of interest to 12· · appear on Defense Exhibit 290 sorted in ascending 12· · the Plaintiffs in this case? 13· · Condor Code number. 13· · · · ·A.· ·Well, I can only answer that in my role as 14· · · · ·A.· ·Okay. 14· · a pharmaceutical economics expert.· I can't answer 15· · · · ·Q.· ·And there are 297 unique Condor Code 15· · it from a legal perspective or some other 16· · values reflected on Defense Exhibit 291; do you see 16· · perspective, but it's my understanding that counsel 17· · that? 17· · was interested in including only contracts that had 18· · · · ·A.· ·Yes. 18· · a sort of lesser of provisions in terms of usual and 19· · · · · · · MR. GILMORE:· I'll just register an 19· · customary payments being a fee screen or one of the 20· · objection for lack of foundation to this and to the 20· · fee screens as contracts that would fit their class 21· · prior question. 21· · definition without ambiguity. 22· · BY MR. GEYERMAN: 22· · · · ·Q.· ·To your knowledge, did the concept of U.S. LEGAL SUPPORT (877) 479-2484 YVer1f Case 4:15-cv-03504-YGR JoelDocument 436-5 Confidential Hay, Ph.D. Filed 05/05/20 Page 5 of 5 November 09, 2016 302 Page 302 ·1· · · · · · · · CERTIFICATE OF NOTARY PUBLIC ·2· · · · · · · I, Kathleen M. Vaglica, the officer before ·3· · whom the foregoing deposition was taken, do hereby ·4· · certify that the witness whose testimony appears in ·5· · the foregoing deposition was duly sworn by me; that ·6· · the testimony of said witness was taken by me in ·7· · stenotype and thereafter reduced to typewriting ·8· · under my direction; that said deposition is a true ·9· · record of the testimony given by said witness; that 10· · I am neither counsel for, related to, nor employed 11· · by any of the parties to the action in which this 12· · deposition was taken; and, further, that I am not a 13· · relative or employee of any attorney or counsel 14· · employed by the parties hereto, nor financially or 15· · otherwise interested in the outcome of the action. 16 17 18· · · · · · · · · · · · · ·Notary Public in and for 19· · · · · · · · · · · · · ·District of Columbia 20 21· · My Commission Expires: 22· · February 28, 2021 U.S. LEGAL SUPPORT (877) 479-2484